From: xyandra2@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 16:47
To: fzaoelma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fzaoelma] Re: part2 - Important message to FZ members
In a message dated 11/9/2003 9:02:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, founder@icause.net writes:
  Sure is a big generality.  Exactly how many have I pissed off?
You for sure when I kicked you off icause.
ralph, pat, me, howard, ray and rey, how is that - 5 for starters.  i can send you an extensive list of the people if you really want to know, believe me, not a problem.  i already wrote you a personal e-mail about what i thought of you, maybe you would like a few more with the same information.  what i wrote you was akin to a declare if you recall.  you third partied a good friend to me by telling me she was a dog pc and she was the ONLY person the "great" tommy ever red tagged.  no self-respecting auditor in his right mind would ever say that.  if you want i will give details.  i also know that you third partied another person's own ex-mother-in-law to them and he now has a hard time confronting her. and he really likes her and thinks she is awesome.  i think you and i both know who we are talking about.  hmm.  very theta tommy, very standard indeed.  that is only standard for a backstabbing 1.1 tone level, in case you missed that when you were studying the tone scale. 
 
 
        I kicked you off the list because you are too critical.
Witness this post.

you kicked me off the list cause i asked you if you would recommend pat as a c/s as i had chosen her.  you wrote back and said no, definitely not, she was unqualified and had done training way back and was not up to speed in PT.  i asked you after that WHO you would recommend.  you then recommended yourself.  you also then told me you had audited pat and she was the only pc you had ever red-tagged and that said a lot about who she was - i wrote back to you and told you that it was wrong to tell me that, it was none of my business.  i knew then that i would never have you c/s me as i could not trust you.  you refused to handle differences with pat and ralph.  you wrote and told me i was out of line and did not know the whole story, that i should check the archives.  i then posted something on all lists that i thought you should all (you, pat and ralph) work in unison as the freezone was small and needed to be united.  you kicked me off for "cross posting" and said i was entrubulative.  you better clean your archives if you don't want this truth to be known as it is right there in black and white.  no one else reacted.  you were furious and kicked me off.  you took responsibility for 0 of what happened.  tommy, i honestly don't believe you think you have ever done anything wrong in your life.  my god a pc red-tagging is NEVER the pc, it is always the auditor.  any auditor that does not know this has missed the boat!!!!  by the way ralph and pat both responded in a theta fashion.  pat is the one of the most theta people i have ever known, anyone third parties a friend to me and that is it.  her stats speak for themselves and so do yours.
 
    It is a good question.  Production, not long ranting entheta
posts is what any auditor should be judged by.
 
this is a good statement to hide behind.  this means that bush is ok and doing a great job as well and anyone who disagrees with him and the killing of innocent people are ranting entheta because they disagree with him.  of course, there are a lot of hard core brainwashed people out there doing this and just waving a flag around without knowing what they are waving for.  you are doing what the caused the church to go into utter collapse.  you know in 1983 they SO guys went in and declared hundreds of mission holders and just told them their stats were down unless they paid the C of S 10,000 per day until they were again perceived as "upstat."  the criteria was that the missions were not sending thier pc's up line to the bigger orgs for training, etc.  so here you are ranting the same shit.  if you were in charge in the field, one would have to set up a new freezone as you are the epitomy of the c of s and what it became under miscavige. 

how do you know WHAT my production is.  Just because i am not a hot bag of bragging wind, does not mean a thing.  you judge things you do not even know. 
 
so here is what i see:
 
if you re-read the letter, you will see there are no generalities at all.  this time i named some names for you.  it is you who utters generalities.
 
you are stuck in an incident tommy and that shows in this inane post.  run out the church or something.  this is not the SO.  you are still running the SO. 
 
also it was not me under DUI charges and then sent to jail at the age of what 65? or 68?  that is a great stat tommy.  then blame it on the c of s being after you.  what tripe.  you may be able to bullshit a lot of people but so did hitler - another great stat man.  can it tommy, i am immune to the sea org drival about SP's.  you can call me one as long as you like and it will not matter.  i will just get off all the lines as it might just prove to me that the whole of scientology is nothing but a control trip.  i thought perhaps the freezone would be different but you are a dramatizing fool who just wants to keep the horror of those stupid blue uniforms going and the power trip they gave.  just realize you no longer have it on.