--- In fzaoelma@yahoogroups.com, "Craig R." <Craigrobart@s...> wrote:
> Well, well, well. This is all very bad, I see now. I have more
knowledge now, thank you.  You have every right to your opinion
anyway, and I apologize for being fierce to you.   Craig
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: xyandra2@a...
>   To: fzaoelma@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: [fzaoelma] Re: book on ron's life
>
>
>   tommy once told me directly about what a friend of mine said in
session, divulging extreme confidences.

   Bullshit. That was pat, and it is two year old history, it was
posted years ago.

> i was horrified that anyone would do this.  this is the extreme end
of unethical behavior as far as viewing or auditing goes. he audited
this pc and then told me about some very personal things that
happened in the session plus blamed the pc for red tagging, instead
of taking responsibility for botching the session himself.


 Bullshit. I red tagged the pc on purpose. I refused to audit any
more.


 he also did this with another friend in connecticut, where he told
him personal data about his mother in law's session.


   Really?  Now who was that, and what was said.  You should back up
your generalities with a bit of data.

 > this crap is down right suppressive so i feel he is dangerous.

   You are downright suppressive.  You are very dangerous, because
you pretend to be willing to help, but you have demonstrated  no
knowledge of the technology, and multiple entheta generalities posted
to the group.  Anyone who trusts you for any sort of a tech line, or
any truth line to the tech would be taking thier sanity in thier own
hands.

>
  my friend was horrified and now has a hard time confronting or
communicating with his mother-in-law due to tommy's mouth. 

 Bullshit. People have a hard time confronting because they can not
confront. I am not responsible for every bank in the world.



>if it offends you, you should tell tommy, get in comm with him and
by all means tell him that maggi is third partying him.


    You very much offend me.  You disgusted me when you were on the
ICAUSE list, and now you just wander around puking entheta lies where
ever you go.

 I would not be so proud of purposely third partying people. It says
very much about you metally unbalanced state.

>
 you are welcome to say anything to him that i have said.  he knows
where i stand regarding him as i am one of the few people who has
dared to stand up to him. 


 Bullshit.  You can not confront me, you can only confront lies and
entheta that you post to others. You couldn't even vaguely stand up
to me.

>
everyone else is overwhelmed or afraid and thinks of tommy as some
kind of god.

   The depth of your stupidity and your blatant inability to see the
facts, even when quoted by yourself is amazing.

    If everyone thinks of me as some sort of a god, that really
pissed you off, huh?  You know the reason is because I produce
scientology, that helps people, and you are driven nearly mad by it.
You truly have adopted a supressive valence.

>he is hugely out-ethics.  as far as being out of line cause i am a
tech terminal, i can only say that it is because i am a trained
auditor that i dare to tell the truth about his antics.

 Total bullshit. If you see me doing something out-justice, then post
some facts.  My ethics are as about as perfect as they get.
   As as far as you being a trained tech terminal, you constantly
prove how little you know about the tech with your missed wh
phenomona, your generalities, and blatant efforts to supress the most
productive auditor on the planet.

>
  most people on the site aren't trained so tommy can pull a lot of
crap on them and that is a sad but true fact.

 Bullshit again.  There are many class 8's, 6's, and tons of
4auditors, c/s terminals, and many others. People on the icause list
have been in scio for over 25 years, many of them.

> anyone that talks about a pc's case out of session is not to be
trusted in any, way shape or form.  period.

 Bullshit.  Where is the tech. Your opinion does not count at all
except to some few fools that can not see for themselves anyway.

> especially if he does it more than once and it is not some
accidental slip up.  i also had a fierce personal experience with
tommy -when i called him on the 3rd party he kicked me off his list
saying i was an enturbulator at which point i told him a few things
as well.

  You are an enturbulator. Right now, I think you are the most
entheta person in the entire free zone.


< all you have to do is get on i cause to find out for yourself, you
can see his posts which are grandoise to say the least.  and if you!
want i can even send you all the altered OT materials he has written.

 You are so stupid.  Any of the "altered" material I have written is
posted in plain sight, with urls to it.  There is no hidden data
line, you do not have "secrets" about me.  There is not one single
piece of data that I am ashamed about, or which is not easily
accesable to anyone.


<  he has re-written the whole upper bridge

   Yeah, pretty much.  Added to it, actually. Now it goes to about
OT25, strictly with LRH data.


>and made all kinds of taped lectures (probably in excess of 60 now)
 Well over 60.

  And as well, there are now available, around 75 hours of video
tape, both in lecture and of sessions, showing exactly how to get
scientology applied.

   There will be several thousand hours in the next couple of years.

> and is pretty much acting like he is recreating the tech from
scratch and cleaning up all the fierce mistakes he says that ron
made.
     More and more bullshit.  The tech does not need to be recreated.
It is fine just like it is.

     Anyone with any brains at all know that I never have bashed LRH,
I never said he was wrong about anything.

     You are a bald faced liar. You do not care at all for anything
but destroying that which you can not understand.



> it would be ok if his stuff wasn't so weird but having done the OT
levels, i cannot make heads or tails of where he is going with
his "new" tech.

   That is because you have not duplicated scientology at all. If you
did, it would be obvious.

> and by the way, if you give him your cogs he will always try to top
them for you and make less of them and somehow allude to the fact
that he has been there and you will soon be above that as well.

     You are really stupid.  Proably, as a matter of fact, the cogs
that you would get for the next century or so I proably had in a
former life as a rock.

    I seriously doubt you will be soon be above anything.


     You are an embarassement to anyone who tries to apply
scientology.


     Gladly enough, you cut your own throat as you speak.
I only feel sorry for the fools that have be decieved by you.

tom