From: xyandra2@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 18:45
To: fzaoelma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fzaoelma] part3 - an actual post of tommy's
most of us out in the field have been out here so long that someone with a good comm cycle who comes along and lets us itsa is so incredible that that alone gives us a floating TA.  But least we not forget this is not the end all of it.  the two people i speak with regularly who are on tommy's lines have a lot of wins in "significances" but don't show a lot of life change, they have the same problems in life and even the same PTS situations.   and for the person who posted that tommy has only "corrected" OT2, that is also not ture, OT 4 is completely different as well.  I know someone who is on it and it is something totally of tommy's own manufacture.  i am not saying it works or does not work, just that it is not the OT drug rundown.  it is a form of prepchecking on the same type of "issues" that one takes up on OT3 (so as not to breach confidentiality "issues" is used for those not yet on 3.)  hopefully you can follow what i mean.  anyway, i am going to post an actual post from tommy here so you can see his attitude about himself and others.  it is subtle but if you look you can see the invalidation toward the new class XII named pierre in our midst.  here it is:
 
>----- Original Message -----
>From: unknown sender@fzaoelma@yahoogroups.com>
To: <icause@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:11 AM
>Subject: [icause] Toranto
>
>(this was a post sent to tommy by someone who is on either the elma or the fzaoint list.  their effort was apparently trying to establish some arc and a comm line with tommy, at least thats what it looks like.  i don't know who the actual person was who wrote to tommy.)
> > Did you know there is a Class XII in Toranto?  Perhaps if you got in
>    comm with him you could connect up with him.  His name is Pierre.  Write me
> > private mail if you want his e-mail.
 
and here is tommy's response response
>
>From: "Founder 1" founder1@icause.net  tommy is "founder1"
>Reply-To: icause@yahoogroups.com
>To: <icause@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [icause] Toranto
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:39:38 -0600

Yeah, I have talked to him. Nice enough fella.  Was in the cos in the late
>years though, so a bit suspect, and he dosent have a clue of what is going
>on in the FZ.
>tom
this is so typical of his responses.  i used to write my cogs to him when i was on icause and he would say the same types of things, so as to totally inval whatever my cog was.  kind of like yes, i cogged on that - been there done that, but good for you.  ho hum
 
SOME TECH TERMINAL!!!!!  I just don't understand how anyone with this type of comm cycle or attitude can enable anyone to have a win!! 
 
if you notice above he says, yes, i have talked to him (in other words, you aren't telling me something I don't already know) and then: "i even have more info than you do" and totally nullifies the comm and there is NO arc.  a proper comm from a terminal who was in arc would be: yes I have heard, but thanks anyway for letting me know.  I am still checking him out OR it does not APPEAR that he has a clue about what goes on in the freezone.  maybe we should get in comm, etc.  BUT nothing but an authoritarian out of arc comm.  shades of the church.  barf barf. barf.  but then again I try to be in ARC with people.  i LIKE arc and i think it is important.  BUT i guess with people who crave and admire only power that is unpopular.  why is everyone so afraid to call a spade a spade when it comes to this character!!