From: to be [doandhave@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 02:30
To: fzaoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fzaoint] Clear Stability, Clear audited with Dianetic Techniques, Sequence of Grades and Dianetics
Hi Ya! I can only tell you my experience as a P.C..
 
It was a long time ago............
 
I was sitting there running Dianetics for hundreds of hours.
 
I had a cog, blew out, attested to Native state and keyed out clear. They told me to take a break and come back when I wanted more auditing. This was BEFORE dn. clear came out.
 
I took a break, not a long one let me tell you, and I came in 'cause I wanted MORE!
 
Well we tried to continue on with my Dianetics but, nothing was there. I mean, nothing. Whatever I had been looking at before was just gone!
 
At the org they thought I had some serious problems, so I got a pts rundown and my LX's. We didn't really come up with any items on the pts rundown but I was flying high on those LX's.
 
After all that, we tried for three or four intensives to find something on Dianetics. Finally they told me to take a longer break, much much longer, and come back when I felt like auditing.
 
A few years later I got called in for a dcsi and attested to clear.
 
"But I don't feel "clear" I said.
 
Three DCSI's later an auditor at flag was finally in a sesion with me Yelling "BUT YOU've Had the clear cognition!"
 
"I did?" I asked.
 
"No one ever told me that before. What's a clear cognition"? I said.
 
"I can't tell you but you've had it"? He said.
 
"Well I still don't feel clear what now?" I said.
 
So, I spent all the last of my days as a public getting sec checks in the case cracking unit. I have to admit it was fun, we got lots of reads, and I did get to feeling clearer and clearer as time went on.
 
Then I got so damned clean I didn't give a hoot anymore about that part of my case and that's where the fun ended. Still, I said, "I don't feel clear." and people more or less avoided me.
 
When I left the S.O., someone I knew gave me the clear cog bulletin. I read it. I said, "damn! I did go clear I guess. Too bad I don't feel like it"!
 
Then I, on advice,  started to run the CC platens. Halfway through that I said, "O.K, I'm clear". Right out of dmsmh clear. Exactly what I thought clear would feel like. The light was shining through me all the way. I never felt like I went clear until that moment.
 
I was flabberghasted!
 
See, I never cared about my reactive mind. As soon as I figured out I had one I just shoved it under the couch.
 
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I didn't appreciate going clear.
 
It just hadn't been a big goal of mine to get rid of my reactive mind. I had never been much bothered by it. I was in Scientology to handle a drug problem, I had been affected by that.
 
Once I did go clear on Dianetics, I was still bothered by THE PAST.
 
That was what I wanted to handle in clearing.
 
I thought, "how can I be clear if I am still bothered by such and such and this and that.?"
 
Oh! But on the CC platens I realized I was putting the past there too. I just had a different type of view about it.
 
I can honestly say it took both FOR ME to get "clear."
 
Hope this helps with the research. Just my story and what worked for me.
 
I hope this helps somebody else the way it helped me.
 
To Be  
 
 
 


Markus Valentin <MarkusValentin@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi,
 
as we have a discussion on the subject of Clear in our group "USE!"
I would like to have answers to three questions:
 
To persons who have made the Clearing Course (or who have C/Sed):
Did the state of Clear attained on the Clearing Course remain stable?
How is it compared to the state of a Dianetic Clear? Somebody here
on this list who could tell from own experience (as PC or as a C/S)?
 
Another point is: How does it feel do get audited Dianetic Style (NED
or Standard or Book One) if the person already has been Clear?
Somebody experienced that (as PC, auditor or as a C/S)?
 
And a third point: I would like to have some empirical data on the
question: Dianetics before the Grades, Grades before Dianetics.
Is there a difference in accessability, gain or stability?
Can somebody (experienced auditor or C/S) tell me from experience
where they see the differences?
 
The background of all this is the sequence and steps of the bridge
of which there have been several versions since 1963.
 
Many thanks
Markus
 
 
 

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