Has anyone really achived the level of OT. Its my understanding that OT
levels start after OT8. Has anyone really audited up say to OT 14 or above.
Did LRH develope the upper levels to standard results or was 100% cause of
the mest universe simple a theory of LRH"S. Also I have heard that the case
about OT7 is different for each pre ot and the pre ot need to map his own
way out. Does anyone have the real data on this?
jamal


>From: Ted Crammer <tcrammer@cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: FZAOINT <Members-l@fzaoint.org>
>To: "xxxmen@ziplip.com" <Members-l@fzaoint.org>
>Subject: Re: [FZAOINT] What are the real abilities gained on the upper
>OTlevels?
>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 05:31:43 -0500
>
>On 11/6/03 5:02 AM, "AerobicDog1@aol.com" <AerobicDog1@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > When I first heard of the fascinating gains that could be gotten in
> > Scientology it peaked my interest.
>
>
>"Piqued."
>
>
>
> > But when I looked at the abilities gained of the staff they didn't quite
>match
> > up with what was advertised.
>
>
>
>Staff are audited, if at all, over tremendous PTPs.
>
>
>
> > I asked innocently if it is true you have gained total cause over mass
>energy
> > space and time then Hubards body would not have aged or would have
>reverted to
> > the handsomer image of his 20s.
>
>
>
>That's a Hidden Standard on Hubbard.
>
>
>
> > I reasoned total cause of mass energy space and time was the theory of a
> > possibility but not yet achieve.
>
>
>
>Well... If I am Total Cause over MEST and you are Total Cause over MEST...
>Who wins the Lotto this week?
>
>
>
> > Needless to say sec checks were my action
> > done after my query and sound arguement.
>
>
>
>That's a bit of a wack upside the head with a blunt object, but that's the
>price you pay for being rude.
>
>
>
>
> > I further asked them to show me some OT abilities and at this point I
>realized
> > they had a designated answer for this, namely "were not interested in
>showing
> > parlor tricks" and I am not serious.
>
>
>
>Most couldn't even do parlor tricks, I know I can't even do a good card
>trick.
>
>
>
> > It was clear they could not show me and
> > didn't themselves possess the abilities stated.
> >
> > So has anyone observed personally OT abilities?
>
>
>Oh, ya.
>
>
> > If so what exactly?
>
>
>Oh, there's a long list. Let me see...
>
>I've been happily married to my wife for 28 years, I painted a house this
>week, my granddaughter was walking by 9 months, I played DJ at my oldest
>daughter's wedding, I audited a preclear or two back to life, I comforted
>my
>mother on her death bed...
>
>Would any of these things qualify?
>
>
>Ted
>
>
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