On 27 May 2004 at 22:33, Joe Keldani wrote:

Hi Joe,

Welcome to this group.

I am sure that our ED and PES (hfa) "bb" will be in comm if he hasn't
been already.

As regards hats and helping around here - well people seem to grab
the hat they see needs doing - so hang about for a bit and you'll
spot something.  Just run with it.  Possibly we should be more
organised - but what the heck!  Well - there you go - nobody is
wearing the HES hat these days - just as a "for example".

You're not the first person to note that some of the Class XIIs
didn't get, or didn't get all, the Ls themselves. That's bad. 
Whether an auditor *needs* all the actions they deliver is one thing,
but to not be offered the Ls when you deliver them.  It doesn't bear
thinking about.

I would like to also say that the wins of the Ls are mega - like
indescribable.  The only term I can use is, sorry ladies, fucking
outrageous.  And often not in the session itself - the changes and
cognitions can hit you quite out of the blue days, weeks and beyond
after session.

One evening post L11 I think it was,  I was sitting quite quietly
listening to some music, when, seemingly from nowhere, a whole extra,
previously unsuspected layer of OT3 case hit me.  It was a good job,
really, that I had already done 3 and some NOTs, because the whole
experience would have been an overwhelm otherwise.  When I say
"layer", I mean a whole layer - not just a few bits  It was literally
all I could do to spot one thing before the next thing came along. 
And as fast as I went so it came faster and faster.  It was like,
"there's that -- and that -- and over there -- and those -- and oh my
-- those as well"  And this kept up for 20 minutes or so - I think. 
If I had been on a meter the TA would have been going crazy.  And the
relief.  Man I've never cried like that anytime, ever.  I had this
handkerchief - and it was just drenched in seconds - and this whole
thing just kept going and going.  And all the while that music kept
up in the background and the chords were just ripping me apart - it
was like they were going right through me.  People on the street
steal to pay for their drugs to get a their highs.  Man you'd steal
the whole of the dear ol' US of A to get anything like that.

Nick

P.S. Nobody should hold the above as any kind of hidden standard - it
was just one of the things that has happened to me.  And I haven't
finished having all the Ls yet!  But do, also, realise that the above
isn't what I call the really outrageous win.  One of them I cannot
describe properly.  I just do not have the words to even begin to do
it justice.  The only thing I can call it really is the "end of
death" cognition.  And I don't mean going exterior for the first time
or going whole track for the first time - those things really bring
it home to an individual that they really are a being, not just a
body.  This is the end of death - as a being.  The certainty that you
can and will pull through no matter what, that nothing can ever
really totally overwhelm you - that you're OK and you've always been
OK.  It relates, per my subjective reality, to OT8 somehow in a way
that I haven't quite figured out - maybe it is even OT8 - I don't
know - I try to leave figure figuring about what should come after
the Ls until - well - after the Ls

Anyhow, this tech is available in the FZ at one or two places.  Ralph
is where I got (am getting) mine.  I think the others like to stay
quiet about it.  Do avail yourself of it when you can.