> > The pair of them belong in cramming.
>
>
> Here I would disagree. Cramming at its best is very expansive; at its
worse
> it is just another indoctrination. There's a lot of destim and gain to be
> had by discussing these church and tech issues openly. "What turns it on
> will turn it off." Just continue the discussion. If a few sacred cows get
> slaughtered in the process, so be it. If the argument makes for greater
> certainty about one's position, then, so be that, too.
>
>
> Ted

Well, fair point Ted.  Mind you, I don't think you've been to Ralph's place.
Some of what happens there is pure magic.  Kind of like you go there for
getting something fixed or done, Ralph will say OK, maybe make an excuse
that he's got go see about a program that is compiling or similar, come back
in a bit for a cup of tea, the convesation turns to something perhaps quite
bland or innocuous and you get this little suggestion or comment to look at
something from a viewpoint you haven't thought of.  Often it doesn't hit you
then and there. Indeed sometimes you don't even notice the gem you've just
been presented with at first.  But later, you go, "holy cow".  And the whole
world looks different.  Then you get a session, but you've already handled
what it was you thought you'd got to handle before your backside even hits
the chair.

Miracles seem to come as standard in the mountains around Semmering.

Ralph will protest that I am causing over expectation and that what he
delivers is standard tech and the result you should expect is what the HCOB
says.  Well, the first time I even opened the comm line I found that a
problem I had been bashing my head on in the CoS for a quater of century
nearly was gone just on the ack I got in an email - and - to be fair - I had
the same ack from Edythe as well - but that was a miracle in itself.  Then I
got there and had enough gain in just a few OT 2 sessions to be worth
multiple lifetimes of hard labour.

More recently I had been auditing NOTs and something came up more in the 3
area that nearly knocked me off my feet when I first noticed it.  I figured
it was handled then and there - which it was primarily.  I certainly didn't
mis-handle the matter as such.  But then I was in session at Ralph's and I
noticed some attention on it still and went blah blah blah about it.  I got
an ack and a, 'your TA is floating - be off with you until tomorrow' type of
end session.  Next day I think it was, maybe it was a session later that
day, I'm not really sure (time seems to have little meaning these days), and
I still had attention on this thing - from a slightly different viewpoint
this time.  Again I get an ack and an end session.  Later that evening it
really hit.  I mean really.  I had so much stuff blow that I began trying to
keep a count and in the end I couldn't count it all.  It was like re-getting
the whole of 3 again in a matter of minutes rather than weeks.

I still say send these people to Ralph's place - they won't regret it and
neither will we.

Nick